Military defeats have consequences and anyway your look at it or not matter the excuses Afghanistan was a defeat, The ancient Greeks attempted an naval invasion against Syracuse on the island of Sicily in 414 BCE. The invading army and the entire fleet was destroyed and following the disaster the Athenian democracy was in trouble and was slowly reformed and once again became an oligarchy and by 404 BCE Athens was defeated. So much for democracy and the decision making wisdom of the democrats. The Athenians had allowed demagogues to rule and they were very similar to current American leadership.
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